Bridging psychological type and depth psychology

Editors: Carol Shumate and Mark Hunziker

Next Issue: October 2014

Q: Are Type Preferences Balanced?

In Douglass Wilde’s article about his method of calculating the function-attitudes from MBTI® scores (right), he adds his voice to the persistent minority who challenge the conventional wisdom about the sequence of function-attitude preferences. Even if we question his design or conclusions, the success of the teams that were built upon this approach suggests that consideration of his method and reexamination of our own assumptions is warranted. By downloading the Wilde Worksheet for Computing Function-Attitudes, you can test these formulations for yourself. What do your results say? Do you think they reflect innate preference? How do they compare with your traditional MBTI interpretation? Which version feels more like your true type?

 

Hunziker, INTJ:
I find this to be very interesting work, and wonder whether Doug Wilde may indeed have found a way to get directly at function-attitude use and/or development. However, I’m skeptical of the idea that it also reveals innate function-attitude preference, as he believes. Self-reporting responses are notoriously influenced by environmental influences on the respondents, and unique development patterns are reflected in the results too. It is for these reasons that we are taught that only the individual can determine his or her true type—not the instrument and not the observer. Sometimes reliable verification can take years of informed, careful self-observation, and skilled coaching of this process by type professionals can be so challenging that it’s virtually an art form.

The author believes that he has confirmed finding new configurations of natural function-attitude preferences by observing the students, with special attention to those whose results appear to show preferences that don’t fit with those predicted by the principles of type dynamics. But the subjective verdict of any single practitioner on this does not constitute verification. In fact, there may not be any single reliable methodology for testing this proposition conclusively. The distinctions between developed, naturally preferred function-attitudes and developed, but non-preferred, function-attitudes are simply too subtle and elusive. So I ask myself, ‘What would it take to erode my confidence in traditional Jungian psychological type theory and the principles of balance, tension, adaptation, and growth upon which it is founded?’ It would take the testimony of a large number of expert type users, talking about their own typology; and even then, the feedback could be easily skewed in one direction or another by how one evaluates type ‘expertise.’

But it is healthy to challenge our assumptions periodically, and Dr. Wilde’s work gives us reason for just such a reassessment. I hope that type users will consider, discuss, and test these ideas, and that this will eventually lead to a convincing accumulation of evidence on this point—and perhaps even lead to advances in understanding that we haven’t yet imagined. In the meantime, I’ll continue using the traditional Jungian framework while also experimenting to find out what these “quantitative typology” formulas might reveal about the development and use of the function-attitudes in myself and my clients.

Shumate, ENFP:
Doug Wilde’s adaptation of the MBTI® scoring system combines the attitude with the function rather than scoring them separately. This certainly appears to be closer to Jung’s intent than the standard method (although, granted, we don’t know CPP’s algorithm) since Jung describes the types via the function-attitudes, not just the functions. I’m not sure it’s sensible to slice and dice the extraversion-introversion score and divvy it up the way Wilde does to get the function-attitudes, but this is a question I have about the standard scoring system as well. So, that issue apart, I’ll focus my comments on the possible meaning of Wilde’s results.

That Wilde’s system can produce high scores in two functions in the same attitude could be due as Mark Hunziker observes, to use and development brought on by stress (overactive defenses) or environmental conditioning such as work requirements, without necessarily indicating innate preference. Same-attitude preferences are not unknown, but is this phenomenon normal or desirable? Lenore Thomson’s work describes a tendency for immature individuals to overuse the tertiary (at the expense of the auxiliary) because it’s in the same attitude as the dominant. John Beebe has observed that some clients come to therapy because their auxiliary functions have been suppressed, hence they rely on the same-attitude functions and get out of balance. Wilde’s variant results, if legitimate, could have four possible explanations: Perhaps a) these individuals are not yet mature and tend to overdo their dominant attitude; b) these individuals are mature but ‘aberrant’ or ‘unstable’ types, as Angelo Spoto calls them; c) the psyche is not a balancing machine as Jung proposes; or d) the psyche balances in a different way than that proposed by conventional “type dynamics.”

To determine which of these is true, we would need to see a theoretical explanation for Wilde’s results. How does his scoring system reveal the balancing of function-attitudes that Jung’s theory proposes? What purpose would it serve the psyche to have dominant and auxiliary in the same attitude? An answer would require a lot of data-gathering to learn how the FAs manifest in the double introverts and dual extraverts, and then an analysis of those results to reconcile them with Jung’s theory—or to produce a variation on his theory.

Like Mark, I suspect that Wilde’s scoring system is measuring use and development if it’s measuring anything, not innate preference, just as I believe the standard MBTI scoring system is often measuring use and development. That’s what we need the feedback session to determine. Whatever the case, I can envision using both scoring methods to obtain maximum information about a client, as long as we don’t overlook the feedback session, or the theory behind the assessment.

3 Comments

    I agree with Carol and Mark that my “scoring system is measuring use and development, not innate preference”, for it is simply a mathematical transformation providing a way to see MBTI results in Jungian terms. My experience with Stanford students has shown me that mature doubleverts do exist who do not seem to me “unstable”; they are “abberant” only in the sense that their f-a’s differ from the questionable predictions of type dynamics. Moreover, I do not believe that domain attitudes “balance”, a concept I attribute to Briggs via Myers rather than to Jung, who in my opinion Myers read out of context. Finally, my example demonstrates how the “psyche balances in a different way than that proposed by Type Dynamics”, since TD’s dominant and auxiliary mode predictions don’t always match the pattern of questionnaire responses. Readers: compare for yourself by using Mark’s spreadsheet to map into the Jungian domains.

  • An interesting model–worth exploring and trying out more.

    Related thoughts: Jung mentions there being many types. He describes eight. Myers & Briggs described sixteen. But really, it appears that there are an enormous number. For example, a person may develop just one dominant in one world (as Jung describes). Or they may develop a dominant in one world and an auxiliary in another, as Myers & Briggs describe. But there are so many other options, which I think do occur, and which actually follow nicely out of Jung’s theory. A person may not consciously develop any functions at all. Jung refers to this as primitive but he also at times describes this as more healthy–there is no psychic wound, as he says in one place, caused by splitting some functions into the conscious and leaving others unconscious. Or a person may develop both a dominant and an auxiliary in the same world. I think of a student of mine who self-identified as INTJ but who developed both functions introvertedly because his home environment felt unsafe so he didn’t do much on the extraverted side at all. When you stop and think of all the possible combinations of developing a function either extravertedly or introvertedly, and developing each function consciously or not developing it consciously, and level of conscious development of each function at any particular point in time, and development of various functions over time–well, you come out with a lot of possibilities, which fits Jung’s idea of there being a lot of types.

    And one comes back to the question of whether type is inborn. As far as I have found, Jung only seems to claim that I/E is inborn. To what extent is the rest of type development inborn, if at all? It’s not clear to me, and if only I/E is inborn, there is no reason there couldn’t be an awful lot of possible types out there. That would make type identification pretty complicated.

    And we don’t have to accept Jung’s say-so, of course, but I have enormous respect for his perspectives and tend to go back and check how he saw these things.

    One other thought re Mark’s point about the individual self-identifying their own type. I actually don’t agree that the individual is in the best position to identify their own type. Sometimes they can, but I think a lot of time people have blind spots and can’t see as clearly as someone else can. Humility is, of course, always called for, in such a case.

  • Hi,

    Just a brief comment to say that if you’re looking for function order (preferred or actual) or consciousness or level of development, then the MBTI is the wrong place to look for it. I know Doug is well-meaning and all that, but psychological type is not a measurement theory, nor does it depend on measurement of any kind, no matter how interesting and helpful the various type questionnsires are.

    What I understand Doug’s method to be (at least in underlying approach) from memory was discussed in the MBTI Manual (second edition) and I discussed that kind of thing with Mary McCaulley, who was somewhat more captured by the measurement paradigm than I am.

    I’m writing something for the publication organised by Mark and Carol and will say more in that forum rather than simply stating an opinion (based on research and some key facts) as I have here.

    Regards

    Peter

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